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-- Micah 6:8

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Tuesday, March 13, 2007

The New Inquisition at Work


Uh oh.

Marine General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, may be a decorated war hero. But he's made the mistake of suggesting that homosexuality is not the source and summit of all that is noble, good, and true (to borrow a phrase from Mark Shea):



"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," Pace was quoted as saying in the newspaper interview. "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is OK to be immoral in any way."Pace, a native of Brooklyn, N.Y., and a 1967 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, said he based his views on his upbringing.


"As an individual, I would not want (acceptance of gay behavior) to be our policy, just like I would not want it to be our policy that if we were to find out that so-and-so was sleeping with somebody else's wife, that we would just look the other way, which we do not. We prosecute that kind of immoral behavior," he said.


Needless to say, these thoughts are not approved for public dissemination by the authorities, and Pace will be hung out to dry for stating what was, until a few years ago, an unremarkable truth. He will no doubt be subjected to a sentence of public penance for his heresy, a sackcloth and ashes treatment like that imposed on Tim Hardaway, another public figure who slipped into public heresy by not acknowleding the goodness, truth and value of homosexuality.
When the pc crowd and the MSM is done with General Pace, he'll probably wish he was back in Vietnam.
UPDATE II: It took not even one news cycle for the General to be forced into penance. He now regrets his wrongheaded attempt to enunciate any traditional moral priniciple that would make any homosexuals uncomfortable. He claims he was only expressing his personal moral view, which of course, should have nothing to do with military policy. Only the homosexuals can enact their private moral views into laws, not "Christianists" like this Marine.

6 comments:

USNA said...

Ah, yes, only the amerikan taliban may impose their "values" on every citizen ... despite the Constitution. The positions enunciated by the ayatollah robertson and his imams falwell, dobson, et al, are beginning to sound more and more like those of the National Socialist Party in the '30s. What's next, Afro-Americans, Jews, Latinos to Gitmo without, of course,
the right to attorneys !

Am I alone in the opinion it's not only improper and unacceptable but dangerous for the chief military officer to impose -or even suggest- his personal "moral values" have any place in the execution of his job. Additionally, isn't it the height of hypocrisy for him to say on the one hand that homosexuality is immoral, but that he supports "don't ask, don't tell" ... give me a break. The immorality here is Pace himself and his ilk [which starts with dubya and co. and includes the amerikan taliban who sets the agenda for this misadministration.

As an academy alum, frankly, I find Pace and those responsible for his nomination an embarrassment and it really pains me to feel that way !

Anonymous said...

Actually the SS was full of homosexuals. But I'm not sure I follow how keeping the rump rangers at bay in the military will result in persecution of blacks, Jews, and Latinos.

I find it refreshing that a public figure is willing to state the obvious: homosexuality is immoral and should not be formally approved and sanctioned by the military, any more than they should approve adultery, bestiality, polygamy or any other variety of sexual perversion.

The military needs to be able to maintain order and unit cohesion, which is compromised when the guy in the foxhole has to wonder if the guy next to him is a queer.

Donald R. McClarey said...

"The positions enunciated by the ayatollah robertson and his imams falwell, dobson, et al, are beginning to sound more and more like those of the National Socialist Party in the '30s."

Hilarious! Actually Hitler was quite tolerant of homosexuals who were his political allies and intolerant of homosexuals who opposed him. Nice try painting as fascist opposition to homosexual conduct. I doubt if Saint Paul was a follower of Hitler, il Duce or the Caudillo.

Also, heaven forbid that military leaders would ever let morality guide them in making decisions. Slept right through some classes at the academy didn't you?

USNA said...

yeah, we can assume that Hitler was "tolerant" of National Socialist homosexuals, simply because some existed, although we know that their official policy was anti-homosexual; there is much more evidence of the hypocrisy of the rebubbacan party and the amerikan taliban in this respect -witness the recent episodes of the "marriage amendment" vs. Mark Foley, Haggard, etc., even the chairman of the rebubbacan national committee, not to mention the catholic church- whose "principle family value" is we'll cover your ass as long as possible, just so long as things don't get too hot; then, we'll turn on you like hungry dogs to protect those that were trying to protect you [e.g., dennis "I never knew that" hastert, cardinal "shift 'em" mahoney ]... we also know that next to the Jews and Gypsies, the homosexuals were the largest single identifiable group sent to the crematoriums.

Also, your comment regarding sleeping through classes is a total non sequitur ... but, fyi: never got that opportunity, nor did anyone else I knew ... unlike students at civilian colleges, universities, etc., we didn't have that option or cutting classes.
Funny, even if I had, I wouldn't have missed anything on "religious morals/morality" ... I was lucky enough to have been prior to the era of the so-called religious right setting the political agenda for this country [witness what has been going on and continues today at USAF]. Neither can I remember sleeping through classes in grad school.

Personally, I much prefer and respect opinions such as those expressed by Generals Clark and Shalikashvili, the latter of whom just recently changed his opinion based on conversations with troops in Iraq and Afghanistan -where he said he found wide-spread acceptance of gay service people and a willingness to serve with them- and the former has taken this position for some years, both of whom are retired and entitled -unlike Pace- to express their "opinion", Senator John Warner, and SecDef Gates. These individuals and others have shown they are capable of learning and shaping their views based on education and experience and thought and are not bound by "upbringing" and "religious" superstition and bigotry.

Donald R. McClarey said...

"not to mention the catholic church- whose "principle family value" is we'll cover your ass as long as possible, just so long as things don't get too hot; then, we'll turn on you like hungry dogs to protect those that were trying to protect you [e.g., dennis "I never knew that" hastert, cardinal "shift 'em" mahoney ]... we also know that next to the Jews and Gypsies, the homosexuals were the largest single identifiable group sent to the crematoriums."

Anti-Catholic bigotry! Bad catechism experience or just always hated Catholicism? Actually the largest identifiable group sent to the death camps after the Jews were the Poles. After the Poles the Roma (gypsies) were next on Hitler's hit list.

In regard to homosexuality and the Nazis, you might wish to peruse Lothar Machtan's The Hidden Hitler that makes a persuasive case that the Austrian Corporal was either homosexual or bi-sexual.

In regard to sleeping through classes at the academy I can only imagine that you completely missed the classes on the Nuremberg trials and the duty to disobey illegal or immoral orders. Of course there were also the classes on the Uniform Code of Military Justice which taught about moral offenses against the Code and punishable by courtmartial including adultery and homosexuality. Surely you must have missed those classes, correct?

USNA said...

mpfsuhmmm ... I wonder how many of those Poles came out of the Warsaw Ghetto ? ... or did they count Jews as Poles ? ... no, I'm not particularly anti-Catholic and I have great admiration for Pope John XXIII, which is more than I can say for many neocon catholics ... also, I find it senseless to get into a pissing match about who did what, when and/or how at the Academy ... especially with someone who has no idea ... oh, and you might peruse anything by Sam Harris or Bishop John Shelby Spong